1 00:00:00,999 --> 00:00:02,660 This is for white paper. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,660 This is for colored paper. Uh -huh. This is for this paper. 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,240 Right. This is for shiny paper. 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,240 Benny, try not to spend the whole day on this. You know what I mean? 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,000 Okay. Where's my buddy? 6 00:00:14,220 --> 00:00:15,220 Hey, Ben. 7 00:00:15,780 --> 00:00:16,780 Dominic? 8 00:00:16,980 --> 00:00:18,740 There he is. How's it going, Chief? 9 00:00:19,100 --> 00:00:20,019 Dominic, hi. 10 00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:20,979 Put out your hand. 11 00:00:20,980 --> 00:00:24,900 Now come. Put out your hand. I got something for you. Ha -ha. 12 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,820 I wield an exact in the eighth race and a 25 to one shot. Bingo. 13 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,660 He has no idea what I'm talking about. We had a very big day today, Ben. 14 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,000 There's three large right in the palm of your hand. 15 00:00:36,260 --> 00:00:37,380 Oh, thanks. 16 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,880 This isn't my friend Dominic. A little dribble on your shirt. 17 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,680 How do you do? Fine, thank you. Nice to make your acquaintance. Very beautiful 18 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,720 offices you have here. Very nice. Very centrally located. 19 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,080 Where do you know Benny from? 20 00:00:49,180 --> 00:00:51,900 Oh, we sit at the counter at Duke Park and have supper every night. 21 00:00:52,100 --> 00:00:54,160 Are we still doing that thing? What thing? 22 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,100 You know the place you said we were going. If I said we're going, we're 23 00:00:58,360 --> 00:00:59,139 Going where? 24 00:00:59,140 --> 00:01:00,140 It's a secret. 25 00:01:00,300 --> 00:01:03,660 Oh, this guy. Everything's a big game. It's no big deal, Benny. 26 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:05,360 Well, it is to me. 27 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,840 Don't get all emotional on me, all right? 28 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,480 Sorry. Okay. Now, there's a two -year -old running today that looks very good 29 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:13,480 me. Okay? 30 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:14,840 Daryl Vianna's the trainer. 31 00:01:15,420 --> 00:01:18,360 McCarron's up. I intend to show this horse some support by going out to the 32 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,160 track and betting next month's rent. Who's coming along? 33 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,360 We have work to do, Dominic. Why, you sure it's nothing to come wait? 34 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:24,560 Thanks anyway. 35 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,400 I don't think so. How about you, dearie, interested in dating a jockey? 36 00:01:28,220 --> 00:01:29,018 Excuse me? 37 00:01:29,020 --> 00:01:32,300 All right, never mind. Listen, Benny, don't spend it all on comic books, huh? 38 00:01:32,860 --> 00:01:35,740 I'll see you for supper, same time, same station. Nice meeting you. 39 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:37,320 Yeah. 40 00:03:39,589 --> 00:03:40,630 All right, folks. 41 00:03:40,890 --> 00:03:42,510 Busy day today. Let's get on with it. 42 00:03:42,710 --> 00:03:46,730 The Craig Estates. I'll handle that myself, Douglas. I'm available if you 43 00:03:46,730 --> 00:03:51,150 me. Well, thank you. Given the length of time that I've known the family, I 44 00:03:51,150 --> 00:03:54,150 think Vivian would be more comfortable if she had to deal only with me. 45 00:03:54,390 --> 00:03:57,350 Moving on, McAllister versus the United States Postal Service. 46 00:03:57,590 --> 00:04:00,990 Brian McAllister's wife was shot and killed by a deranged co -worker. 47 00:04:01,230 --> 00:04:02,290 What's the cause of action? 48 00:04:02,630 --> 00:04:05,910 Wrongful death. If the co -worker's deranged, how do you get liability on 49 00:04:05,910 --> 00:04:08,870 part of the post office? Negligent supervision together with a particularly 50 00:04:08,870 --> 00:04:10,560 high... Stress work environment? 51 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,140 Excuse me, the post office is high stress? 52 00:04:13,420 --> 00:04:16,680 The way it's run now, it is. Hey, delivering the mail is not high stress. 53 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:18,260 This is high stress. 54 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,399 What we do is high stress. 55 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:24,000 And I think that at least a few of us here are probably deranged as a result 56 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,280 it. Melina, wasn't this matter supposed to be settled? It's not for want of 57 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:30,300 trying that it isn't, Douglas. Unfortunately, what that means for us is 58 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:32,980 you're going to be consumed with a trial. You're worried about Southern 59 00:04:32,980 --> 00:04:36,060 savings. You're right. What's the problem? The problem is we've been 60 00:04:36,060 --> 00:04:40,140 by their general counsel to perfect an appeal, and the clock is ticking. What's 61 00:04:40,140 --> 00:04:41,140 the lawsuit about? 62 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,520 discriminatory lending practices. And we're representing the bank? Yes, we're 63 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,300 representing the bank, and my hope is that we represent the bank well enough 64 00:04:47,300 --> 00:04:50,760 that we get to represent other banks. All right, Douglas, calm down. All I 65 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,680 is you better get some help. I will, Douglas, I will. I'm available. 66 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,100 Melina, this is a complicated case. Get some help. 67 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,840 Jonathan, I'm sorry, I don't have it yet. 68 00:05:10,650 --> 00:05:12,950 What? That law review article you asked me to bring in. 69 00:05:13,410 --> 00:05:17,450 See, between the trial and the appeal and all the rest of what's on my desk, I 70 00:05:17,450 --> 00:05:19,030 just didn't have time to look for it. I'm sorry. 71 00:05:19,330 --> 00:05:22,430 I have to go digging through this whole bunch of boxes, and I didn't have a 72 00:05:22,430 --> 00:05:24,130 spare moment in which to do it. It's okay. 73 00:05:25,150 --> 00:05:28,230 I feel badly, Jonathan. I promised I would help you with your brief, and I 74 00:05:28,230 --> 00:05:29,470 haven't done it. You're busy. 75 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:32,310 Yes. You need to lighten your load. 76 00:05:33,570 --> 00:05:34,570 How do I do that? 77 00:05:34,890 --> 00:05:35,890 Just do it. 78 00:05:36,570 --> 00:05:37,570 Any way you can. 79 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,360 Benny, we'd like you to tell us a little bit more about this friend of yours. 80 00:05:45,740 --> 00:05:46,780 What do you want to know? 81 00:05:46,980 --> 00:05:50,580 For starters, we'd like to know why it was that he gave you $3 ,000. 82 00:05:51,100 --> 00:05:52,320 The horse he bet on won. 83 00:05:52,580 --> 00:05:54,080 But why did he give you money? 84 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,420 He always gives me money when the horse wins. 85 00:05:57,860 --> 00:06:02,060 I give him money to bet with, and he gives me money if the horse wins. 86 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,720 And sometimes I think even if the horse comes in second, he can still win. 87 00:06:06,980 --> 00:06:10,140 You give him money to bet with? Yeah. How much money do you give him? 88 00:06:10,750 --> 00:06:14,090 Oh, that depends on how much money he needs to bet with. 89 00:06:14,490 --> 00:06:17,870 Sometimes he doesn't bet anything, and other times he says, you've got to bring 90 00:06:17,870 --> 00:06:18,870 down the hammer. 91 00:06:19,410 --> 00:06:20,530 That's what he calls it. 92 00:06:20,730 --> 00:06:24,510 And I give him $100, $200. 93 00:06:24,730 --> 00:06:26,490 One time I gave him $500. 94 00:06:26,910 --> 00:06:28,270 Vinnie, you have to stop doing that. 95 00:06:29,510 --> 00:06:33,350 Why? Why? Because you work hard for your money. You don't have that much of it, 96 00:06:33,370 --> 00:06:36,390 and you shouldn't be giving it to some guy to blow at the track. 97 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:37,950 But he didn't blow it. He won. 98 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,720 The other night, I gave him $200, and yesterday he gave me $3 ,000. 99 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:43,899 That's yesterday. 100 00:06:43,900 --> 00:06:44,980 What's he going to do tomorrow? 101 00:06:45,700 --> 00:06:46,700 I don't know. 102 00:06:46,940 --> 00:06:50,160 The paper that has all the different horses that are running comes out in the 103 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,680 morning. Benny, the point is that he shouldn't be doing this with your money. 104 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,640 should be doing it with his money. But he doesn't have any money. Then he 105 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,400 shouldn't be gambling. He should be working. 106 00:06:58,660 --> 00:07:00,240 Well, he says that gambling is working. 107 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,900 He says some people go to the office to work, and other people go to the track. 108 00:07:05,140 --> 00:07:08,870 Benny. This guy is taking advantage of you. That's okay, guys, really. 109 00:07:09,330 --> 00:07:12,070 I don't mind giving him money. He's my friend. 110 00:07:17,900 --> 00:07:21,900 The fact that Nathaniel didn't leave a will means the estate goes to you, 111 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,980 Vivian. Which is as it should be, Mom. You do with it whatever you see fit. 112 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,520 Well, Leland, tell me this. Are we all right as far as taxes go? 113 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,860 Yes, we can pay whatever's owed out of savings. 114 00:07:31,180 --> 00:07:34,560 I'll go on living in the house since we own that, and I'll keep whatever 115 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,540 investments we've made through the years. 116 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,200 There are a lot of other things I want you kids to have, and I'd like you to 117 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,960 decide who gets what. Mom, we want what you want. 118 00:07:44,410 --> 00:07:46,110 Why don't you let her tell us what they are? 119 00:07:46,370 --> 00:07:48,510 Leland, you have the list. Why don't you go through it? 120 00:07:49,470 --> 00:07:51,690 Yes, there are golf clubs. 121 00:07:52,410 --> 00:07:53,410 Frank? 122 00:07:54,290 --> 00:07:56,370 I don't want them. 123 00:07:56,830 --> 00:07:58,570 I guess Dick could use an extra set. 124 00:07:58,970 --> 00:08:02,610 There's a 1975 Cadillac. Mom, why don't you keep that? 125 00:08:02,830 --> 00:08:04,430 I don't need two cars, Judith. 126 00:08:04,930 --> 00:08:06,690 Frank, you take it. 127 00:08:08,990 --> 00:08:09,929 All right. 128 00:08:09,930 --> 00:08:13,390 There's a stamp collection. I've taken the precaution of putting it in the 129 00:08:13,390 --> 00:08:17,450 vault. Which, if no one wants it, I'd really love to have. But I certainly 130 00:08:17,450 --> 00:08:20,970 don't. Do we know what it's worth? I have no idea. I just have the most 131 00:08:20,970 --> 00:08:24,870 incredibly vivid memories of Dad shutting himself in his study with the 132 00:08:24,870 --> 00:08:27,770 closed and the blinds drawn, pouring over his stamp. 133 00:08:28,010 --> 00:08:31,350 I'd like to get some idea what it's worth, Judith. I can remember him 134 00:08:31,350 --> 00:08:34,530 we couldn't even knock on his door as long as he was working on those stamps. 135 00:08:34,750 --> 00:08:36,390 It would be nice for the kids. 136 00:08:36,630 --> 00:08:40,169 Well... I hate to stand in the way, but I'd like to find out what the stamp 137 00:08:40,169 --> 00:08:43,650 collection's worth. What it's worth in dollars or what it's worth in memories. 138 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,800 Are you saying that you could sell Dad's stamp collection? 139 00:08:48,060 --> 00:08:49,480 I'm up to my ears in debt, Judith. 140 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,800 Damn right I would sell it. Oh, kids, this is just what I didn't want to 141 00:08:53,860 --> 00:08:57,760 I don't want to see you fight about it. May I suggest that the first thing we do 142 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,380 is have the collection appraised. That way we'll know whether it's worth 143 00:09:01,380 --> 00:09:05,080 and what the tax situation is. I don't want to sell that stamp collection. 144 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:06,800 Nice to have money, isn't it, sis? 145 00:09:07,290 --> 00:09:10,610 My husband and I work for a living, Frank. That's how you get to have money. 146 00:09:10,610 --> 00:09:13,970 right, all right. The fact is that whether or not you're going to sell the 147 00:09:13,970 --> 00:09:16,550 collection, it has to be appraised for tax purposes. 148 00:09:16,910 --> 00:09:18,430 It has to be appraised to have it appraised. 149 00:09:18,670 --> 00:09:21,130 But you are not going to sell my father's stamp collection. 150 00:09:29,070 --> 00:09:30,970 We were married seven and a half years. 151 00:09:31,450 --> 00:09:32,450 Any children? 152 00:09:33,230 --> 00:09:35,310 Elected for two, Susan just turned four. 153 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,220 Did your wife work, Mr. McAllister? 154 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:42,100 She worked where I worked, at the Northfield Postal Facility, Regional 155 00:09:42,100 --> 00:09:46,120 Distribution Center No. 5. And what were your jobs at the Northfield Postal 156 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,800 Facility? We sorted mail. 157 00:09:48,220 --> 00:09:49,560 Did you know George Whalen? 158 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,600 Yeah, he also sorted mail. 159 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,720 Would you describe for us what it was like to work at the Northfield Facility? 160 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:58,080 What it was like? 161 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,140 Well, they have a machine called an optical character reader. 162 00:10:03,910 --> 00:10:06,170 It spits out 30 ,000 letters an hour. 163 00:10:07,450 --> 00:10:11,930 There's a man with a stopwatch standing behind you, timing to see how long it 164 00:10:11,930 --> 00:10:16,110 takes you to read an address and punch in the first three digits of the zip 165 00:10:16,110 --> 00:10:20,790 code. And what, if anything, would a man with a stopwatch do if you weren't fast 166 00:10:20,790 --> 00:10:21,790 enough? 167 00:10:22,210 --> 00:10:23,210 Write you up. 168 00:10:23,950 --> 00:10:25,590 If you move too slow, they write you up. 169 00:10:26,190 --> 00:10:28,070 If you take too many steps, they write you up. 170 00:10:28,350 --> 00:10:31,070 If you hold an envelope at the wrong angle, if you're... 171 00:10:31,340 --> 00:10:34,140 Five minutes late for your lunch break. If you don't ask permission to go to the 172 00:10:34,140 --> 00:10:36,380 bathroom, anything, everything, they write you up. 173 00:10:37,140 --> 00:10:41,160 I once saw them write up a 60 -year -old woman for showing a picture of a 174 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,840 grandchild. You have no idea what it's like in there. 175 00:10:44,060 --> 00:10:48,060 Would you describe the event that took place on April 15, 1991? 176 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:50,980 I was finishing my shift. 177 00:10:53,540 --> 00:10:57,000 George Whalen walked out on the floor and asked me if I'd seen our postmaster, 178 00:10:57,140 --> 00:10:59,040 Mr. Daggett. I told him I hadn't. 179 00:10:59,580 --> 00:11:01,360 He turned around and walked toward the door. 180 00:11:03,700 --> 00:11:05,540 Next thing I knew, he had a gun in his hand. 181 00:11:05,860 --> 00:11:07,320 Did you see him fire that gun? 182 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:08,680 Yes, I did. 183 00:11:09,900 --> 00:11:12,480 When Mr. Daggett came out of his office, he fired at him. 184 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,140 And what happened after he fired at him? 185 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,180 He got my wife instead. 186 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,960 She just punched in and was walking out to the floor. 187 00:11:25,460 --> 00:11:26,940 She caught a bullet right in the head. 188 00:11:30,090 --> 00:11:31,430 She died in my arms. 189 00:11:33,810 --> 00:11:38,230 Mr. McAllister, you hold that the Postal Service is responsible for your wife's 190 00:11:38,230 --> 00:11:40,390 death. I'd like you to explain to us why. 191 00:11:40,670 --> 00:11:43,330 Because George Whalen never would have done what he did if the Postal Service 192 00:11:43,330 --> 00:11:44,510 hadn't driven him to do it. 193 00:11:45,030 --> 00:11:46,510 Thank you. Nothing further. 194 00:11:48,690 --> 00:11:51,170 Mr. McAllister, I'm very sorry about your wife. 195 00:11:51,850 --> 00:11:54,350 But there are a few questions I have to ask you. 196 00:11:55,330 --> 00:11:56,790 Did you observe anything... 197 00:11:57,180 --> 00:11:59,880 unusual about George Whelan prior to the day of the shooting? 198 00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:01,100 Did I? 199 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,840 No, I didn't. I didn't know the man that well. You work together. 200 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,620 Why didn't you know him that well? There are 600 people working there. That's 201 00:12:08,620 --> 00:12:12,680 right, Mr. McAllister. There are 600 people working there. Yet you maintain, 202 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:16,160 you not, that it was incumbent on the supervisory personnel at the facility to 203 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,880 not only know this man, but to know him well enough to predict what he would do. 204 00:12:20,180 --> 00:12:21,620 They knew the pressure he was under. 205 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,900 They knew the pressure we were all under. But all of you didn't do what 206 00:12:25,900 --> 00:12:29,880 did. All of you didn't take a gun and start shooting. No, but George Whelan's 207 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,680 not the only postal worker who has, though, is he? There are more than 700 208 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:35,540 employees in the United States Postal Service. 209 00:12:36,220 --> 00:12:40,260 What percentage of them do you suppose have behaved as Mr. Whelan has? I have 210 00:12:40,260 --> 00:12:42,500 idea. Objection. The witness isn't qualified to answer. 211 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,320 An objection is sustained. My wife wasn't supposed to get shot. 212 00:12:46,180 --> 00:12:48,060 My kids weren't supposed to lose their mother. 213 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,340 That's absolutely true, Mr. Callister. The question is, who's to blame? Right. 214 00:12:52,460 --> 00:12:53,840 And according to you, no one's to blame. 215 00:12:55,260 --> 00:12:58,840 George Whelan's insane, so you can't blame him. The post office is too big 216 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,300 too busy, so you can't blame them. 217 00:13:00,620 --> 00:13:02,540 According to you, it just happened, right, Mr. Spitzer? 218 00:13:03,620 --> 00:13:06,860 According to you, it's one of life's little oddball tragedies, and it just 219 00:13:06,860 --> 00:13:09,000 happened. Mr. McAllister. You're wrong, Mr. Spitzer, wrong. 220 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:10,740 It didn't just happen. 221 00:13:11,140 --> 00:13:13,460 George Whelan didn't just one day go insane. 222 00:13:13,780 --> 00:13:16,540 Mr. McAllister. Sons of pitchers like the man at that table drove him insane. 223 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,120 He's the one to blame. 224 00:13:18,380 --> 00:13:21,080 Mr. McAllister, that's enough. He didn't pull the trigger, but he's the one who 225 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,080 killed her. 226 00:13:31,980 --> 00:13:34,700 These are the transcripts from the trial and the briefs that were submitted. 227 00:13:35,540 --> 00:13:39,100 Read them, digest them, and we'll talk about them tomorrow. 228 00:13:39,420 --> 00:13:43,220 Okay. Go ahead and use my office. Start culling through the cases that were 229 00:13:43,220 --> 00:13:47,060 cited. And if anything jumps out at you that you need an answer for, call the 230 00:13:47,060 --> 00:13:48,560 general counsel's office at the bank. 231 00:13:49,380 --> 00:13:51,140 I can call them? By all means. 232 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,360 Because I am going to be buried under this trial for at least a week. No one 233 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,300 here knows anything about the case. So if you need to know something, call the 234 00:13:58,300 --> 00:13:59,300 bank's lawyers. 235 00:13:59,530 --> 00:14:02,670 I have to say I kind of hate the idea of working on the side of the bank in this 236 00:14:02,670 --> 00:14:03,810 case. Why is that? 237 00:14:04,010 --> 00:14:06,390 Because I think they do discriminate in their lending policy. 238 00:14:07,470 --> 00:14:08,470 Read the papers. 239 00:14:08,590 --> 00:14:12,490 I will. I think you'll find that the bank was using very reasonable criteria 240 00:14:12,490 --> 00:14:13,690 evaluating the credit risk. 241 00:14:13,910 --> 00:14:15,610 Maybe it's just a matter of general principle. 242 00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:19,210 That's usually not a good way to decide the merits of a specific case. 243 00:14:19,710 --> 00:14:21,930 No, you're right. I appreciate you doing this, Gwen. 244 00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:23,930 I'm really underwater right now. 245 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,620 Tell us, Dr. Gerhardt, what is your field of expertise? 246 00:14:32,140 --> 00:14:35,400 The psychological effects of stress in the workplace. 247 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:40,820 And have you spent much time in the Northfield Postal Facility? Yes, I have. 248 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,020 Have you examined George Whelan? Yes. 249 00:14:43,380 --> 00:14:45,320 And what observations are you prepared to make? 250 00:14:45,620 --> 00:14:49,900 That there was a direct link between conditions at the postal facility and 251 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,140 Whelan's actions on the day he shot and killed Tina McAllister. 252 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,400 In your opinion, what was responsible for that link? 253 00:14:57,380 --> 00:15:01,400 Workers are governed by machines at the Postal Service. Whether we're talking 254 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:06,440 about optical readers or stopwatches, management has made it abundantly clear 255 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,700 that the pace of work has nothing to do with human behavior and everything to do 256 00:15:10,700 --> 00:15:11,700 with mechanized efficiency. 257 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:18,020 Add to this draconian regulations and few meaningful outlets for worker 258 00:15:18,020 --> 00:15:22,200 frustrations, and you have the conditions that result in tragedies like 259 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,160 one. In your opinion, could this tragedy have been prevented? 260 00:15:25,420 --> 00:15:29,820 Yes. This wasn't the first episode of violent behavior on the part of a postal 261 00:15:29,820 --> 00:15:34,060 worker. Far from it. The fact is that there have been clusters of such 262 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:38,760 ranging from homicides to suicides to fistfights at postal facilities all over 263 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:39,609 the country. 264 00:15:39,610 --> 00:15:43,670 Now, had management been willing to view these indications as a fundamental 265 00:15:43,670 --> 00:15:50,310 problem and taken steps to remedy that, this tragedy could have been prevented. 266 00:15:50,570 --> 00:15:54,610 Did the management, in your opinion, have any basis to conclude that George 267 00:15:54,610 --> 00:15:57,270 Whelan was a person who was likely to become violent? 268 00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:58,930 Again, the answer is yes. 269 00:15:59,250 --> 00:16:03,790 See, contrary to popular myth, people don't just suddenly snap. 270 00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:08,330 In 17 years, George Whelan had never filed a single grievance. 271 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,100 Now, suddenly he was disciplined for a petty infraction, and in the span of two 272 00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:14,240 weeks he filed six. 273 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,480 He wrote three letters to supervisors and requested an appointment to speak to 274 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,340 Mr. Daggett, something he had never done before. 275 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,520 He made numerous references in his letters to acts of violence committed at 276 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:25,580 other postal facilities. 277 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,280 These were signals. 278 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,340 These were calls for help. 279 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,240 And anyone who was listening would have heard them. 280 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:36,460 I have nothing further. 281 00:16:37,070 --> 00:16:42,030 You referred to the clusters of violent behavior among postal workers. Tell me 282 00:16:42,030 --> 00:16:45,010 something, Doctor. How does the Postal Service compare with other industries in 283 00:16:45,010 --> 00:16:45,789 that regard? 284 00:16:45,790 --> 00:16:50,070 Not having done a statistical analysis on other industries, I really couldn't 285 00:16:50,070 --> 00:16:55,010 say. In that I have done a little statistical analysis, let me run the 286 00:16:55,010 --> 00:16:56,010 figures by you. 287 00:16:56,750 --> 00:17:02,110 The number of homicides and or suicides among postal workers is 2 .3 for every 288 00:17:02,110 --> 00:17:03,510 500 ,000 workers. 289 00:17:04,010 --> 00:17:08,170 Among hotel clerks, the rate's 10 for every 500 ,000 workers. 290 00:17:08,670 --> 00:17:11,730 Should we look into on -the -job stress in the hotel industry, doctor? 291 00:17:12,109 --> 00:17:15,810 I'm sure you know, Counselor, that those kind of statistics are hardly what I 292 00:17:15,810 --> 00:17:19,710 base my conclusions on. Doctor, I don't think you base your conclusions on any 293 00:17:19,710 --> 00:17:20,710 kind of statistics. 294 00:17:21,190 --> 00:17:26,089 Objection. Sustained. Is there scientific proof of any kind that on 295 00:17:26,089 --> 00:17:29,750 stress was responsible for acts of violence in postal workers? 296 00:17:30,110 --> 00:17:35,330 Well, if you mean hard and fast verifiable data, the answer's no. 297 00:17:35,530 --> 00:17:39,970 In other words, it's impossible to prove, impossible to disprove. It's a 298 00:17:40,090 --> 00:17:41,090 isn't it, Doctor? 299 00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:48,390 Yes. It's a theory that, if accepted as fact, will allow the plaintiff in this 300 00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:52,250 case to collect a great deal of money because the Postal Service is, after 301 00:17:52,330 --> 00:17:54,230 a deep, deep pocket. 302 00:17:54,670 --> 00:17:58,050 Did you have that in mind by any chance when you were formulating this theory? 303 00:17:58,690 --> 00:18:00,270 No, I didn't. 304 00:18:01,310 --> 00:18:02,310 All right, Doctor. 305 00:18:02,790 --> 00:18:04,530 I have no further questions. 306 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:12,720 Oh, my. 307 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:14,340 How does it look? 308 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,160 This is quite a collection. 309 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:21,560 Not necessarily in terms of its monetary value, although that's not 310 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:28,240 inconsiderable, but primarily in terms of its intellectual organization, its 311 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,700 understanding of historical significance. 312 00:18:31,260 --> 00:18:35,860 A superb series of 1923 imperforates. 313 00:18:37,610 --> 00:18:42,430 Never hinged plate block of a 1924 Huguenot Walloon. 314 00:18:43,210 --> 00:18:46,310 Some fine examples of graph zeppelins. 315 00:18:47,330 --> 00:18:49,290 This was a real collector. 316 00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:51,350 Well, that doesn't surprise me. 317 00:18:51,770 --> 00:18:55,530 Nat was very methodical about everything he did. He was a very thoughtful, 318 00:18:55,730 --> 00:18:57,010 rather scholarly man. 319 00:18:57,250 --> 00:18:58,149 It shows. 320 00:18:58,150 --> 00:19:00,650 Do you have any idea yet as to how much it's worth? 321 00:19:01,690 --> 00:19:06,110 Well, from what I've seen thus far, I would say we were into the mid -five 322 00:19:06,110 --> 00:19:07,110 -figure range. 323 00:19:07,370 --> 00:19:09,990 And there are a couple of boxes that I haven't been through with him yet. 324 00:19:10,810 --> 00:19:12,270 Let's see what we have over here. 325 00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:13,470 All right. 326 00:19:14,830 --> 00:19:18,990 Speaking strictly as a fellow philatelist, I can tell you there's much 327 00:19:18,990 --> 00:19:23,390 here. There are themes and confluences running throughout what this man has 328 00:19:23,390 --> 00:19:24,390 done. 329 00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:26,350 What is this? 330 00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:30,230 What? There's a false bottom in this box. 331 00:19:35,790 --> 00:19:39,390 It appears that there's pornography in here, Mr. McKenzie. 332 00:19:39,950 --> 00:19:40,950 What? 333 00:19:41,790 --> 00:19:44,890 It appears that it didn't get in here by mistake, either. 334 00:19:45,150 --> 00:19:47,170 Well, I have no idea where it would have come from. 335 00:19:48,510 --> 00:19:50,730 It's quite an array, isn't there? 336 00:19:58,170 --> 00:20:00,050 Look at this degradation. 337 00:20:02,590 --> 00:20:04,930 Did you know George Wayland, Mr. Daggett? 338 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,320 Not personally, no. 339 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,760 Were you aware of the fact that he had requested an appointment with you? 340 00:20:10,020 --> 00:20:14,320 I wasn't aware of it for the simple reason that all employee communications 341 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:15,900 handled further down the chain of command. 342 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,580 It was dealt with. It just wasn't dealt with by me. 343 00:20:20,260 --> 00:20:23,320 Was there any mechanism in place to deal with worker stress? 344 00:20:23,820 --> 00:20:27,080 Yes. There's a referral service for psychological counseling. 345 00:20:27,780 --> 00:20:31,740 There's the grievance procedure if an employee feels he or she has been 346 00:20:32,260 --> 00:20:33,960 And then, of course, there's all of us. 347 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,400 By which I mean employees and supervisors both. 348 00:20:38,580 --> 00:20:42,220 Our number one resource at the U .S. Postal Service is our people. We should 349 00:20:42,220 --> 00:20:43,220 never lose sight of that. 350 00:20:43,260 --> 00:20:47,020 In your opinion, was there any way that you could have prevented this tragedy 351 00:20:47,020 --> 00:20:47,979 from happening? 352 00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:51,400 I wish there had been. The truth is, I don't know what I would have done 353 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,400 differently. 354 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,500 I don't know what I could have done. 355 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,960 I'm trained to move the mail, not diagnose mental illnesses. 356 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:00,560 But what I want to say to Mr. 357 00:21:00,780 --> 00:21:01,780 McAllister is this. 358 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:07,720 that while I did not lose anyone dear to me, I too was devastated by what 359 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:08,720 happened. 360 00:21:09,380 --> 00:21:13,420 I think I can safely say that all of us whose lives were touched by this event 361 00:21:13,420 --> 00:21:14,920 will never be the same. 362 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:16,560 I have nothing further. 363 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:21,100 Since you say that your life will never be the same, I'd like to start by asking 364 00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:22,460 exactly how it's different. 365 00:21:22,740 --> 00:21:26,160 I'm not sure I know what you mean. Do you have the same work rules in place 366 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,340 that you had in place before? 367 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,160 Those work rules exist for a reason. Is that a yes? 368 00:21:30,570 --> 00:21:33,630 Yes. Do you still write people up for taking too many steps? 369 00:21:33,930 --> 00:21:37,170 We've conducted studies, Miss Paros. You write them up for holding an envelope 370 00:21:37,170 --> 00:21:41,030 at the wrong angle to read it? Those studies have shown us the optimally 371 00:21:41,030 --> 00:21:43,010 efficient method to perform each task. 372 00:21:43,230 --> 00:21:47,050 And if someone deviates from that which is optimally efficient, you bust them. 373 00:21:47,470 --> 00:21:48,690 I correct them. 374 00:21:49,250 --> 00:21:53,330 That's my job. Isn't it also your job to provide a work environment that's safe? 375 00:21:53,450 --> 00:21:56,870 What happened that day could have happened anywhere. It could have 376 00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:58,610 the street. It could have happened on a bus. 377 00:21:59,370 --> 00:22:03,350 It could have happened right here in this courtroom. I try to provide a work 378 00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:07,350 environment that's safe, but sometimes unforeseen events will occur that render 379 00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:08,209 it otherwise. 380 00:22:08,210 --> 00:22:11,530 And it's your testimony that the work rules in place at your facility did 381 00:22:11,530 --> 00:22:14,090 nothing to bring about this unforeseen event. 382 00:22:14,370 --> 00:22:17,210 Look, I have a very clear -cut mandate, Ms. Peros. 383 00:22:17,410 --> 00:22:19,910 Do it faster. Do it cheaper. Do it better. 384 00:22:20,250 --> 00:22:22,970 People want their mail delivered. They want it delivered promptly. 385 00:22:23,290 --> 00:22:26,830 And they don't want the price of a stamp to go up by as much as one single 386 00:22:26,830 --> 00:22:30,100 penny. I do what I have to do to get the job done. 387 00:22:37,460 --> 00:22:38,460 Fix your collar. 388 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,360 We're not going on a bus. We're going on an airplane. 389 00:22:42,540 --> 00:22:43,640 Gotta look a little sharp. 390 00:22:45,620 --> 00:22:46,760 Do I look sharp now? 391 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:52,120 Like a tech. 392 00:22:52,140 --> 00:22:55,980 I'm so excited. I can't believe we're doing this. Remember what I told you. 393 00:22:55,980 --> 00:22:57,080 is a business trip. 394 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,900 Okay. We're a couple of businessmen. We're going on a business trip. If we 395 00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:04,200 should happen to enjoy ourselves along the way, all well and good. But the 396 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,760 purpose of this trip is business. 397 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:06,960 Business. 398 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,760 You all packed? 399 00:23:09,820 --> 00:23:10,820 Yeah. Good. 400 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,380 Let's make like a hockey stick and get the puck out of here. 401 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,000 Let's go. 402 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:17,640 Huh. 403 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,500 Where are you off to, Benny? 404 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,960 Oh, I asked Douglas if I could leave early and he said it was okay. 405 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,200 Where are you going? 406 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,100 I gave out the mail and I put extra paper in the copier and I cleaned up the 407 00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:37,940 kitchen. Benny. Tell him where we're going. 408 00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:40,180 We're going to Vegas. 409 00:24:00,889 --> 00:24:03,250 I'm going to get rid of it. You can't get rid of it, Leland. 410 00:24:03,550 --> 00:24:07,770 It's hardcore pornography, Stuart. The family doesn't know about it. What 411 00:24:07,770 --> 00:24:10,750 possible good would it do them to find out? Yeah, I guess I wouldn't want to 412 00:24:10,750 --> 00:24:11,950 know that my father collected pornography. 413 00:24:13,090 --> 00:24:14,470 Your father collected pornography? 414 00:24:14,910 --> 00:24:18,130 No, no, the deceased in this estate matter collected pornography. 415 00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:19,870 What do you mean by collected? 416 00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:24,990 I mean collected. I mean boxes of magazines, films, playing cards, a 417 00:24:24,990 --> 00:24:26,210 puzzle. Have you seen it? 418 00:24:26,410 --> 00:24:29,490 No, I haven't seen it. I really think everyone's interest would be best served 419 00:24:29,490 --> 00:24:32,920 if I just destroyed it. Well, you can't destroy it, Leland. You have a fiduciary 420 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:33,940 relationship to the estate. 421 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,820 But it's not as if it's worth any money. 422 00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:37,300 Are you sure? 423 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:41,720 Are you telling me there's a market in second -hand pornography? 424 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,820 I don't know whether there is or there isn't, but before you dispose of this 425 00:24:44,820 --> 00:24:47,360 stuff, I think I ought to call Yale Tobias to come and take a look. 426 00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:48,620 Oh, that's a great idea. 427 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,900 Yeah, his wife divorced him because of his collection of pornography. 428 00:24:51,420 --> 00:24:52,900 He's rich. He's obsessed. 429 00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:54,680 I think we ought to get him in here. 430 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,340 Give him a call, Arnold. 431 00:24:57,950 --> 00:25:00,850 One way or another, I want that material out of my office. 432 00:25:04,130 --> 00:25:08,490 Where do you now reside, Mr. Whalen? I reside at Atascadero State Hospital, 433 00:25:08,690 --> 00:25:10,010 Atascadero, California. 434 00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:13,090 And how long did you work for the Postal Service, Mr. Whalen? 435 00:25:13,710 --> 00:25:14,710 Seventeen years. 436 00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:16,750 Would you tell us what your job was? 437 00:25:17,010 --> 00:25:18,010 I sorted mail. 438 00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:19,470 Did you like your job? 439 00:25:19,950 --> 00:25:21,010 One time I did. 440 00:25:21,250 --> 00:25:22,250 Did that change? 441 00:25:23,790 --> 00:25:24,790 Yes, it did. 442 00:25:24,890 --> 00:25:25,890 What happened? 443 00:25:26,150 --> 00:25:27,190 They roped me up. 444 00:25:28,010 --> 00:25:29,310 What'd they write you up for? 445 00:25:30,790 --> 00:25:31,910 For being late. 446 00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:33,210 Were you late? 447 00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:37,630 No, I wasn't. In 17 years of working there, I was never late. 448 00:25:39,030 --> 00:25:40,770 I'll make something of a point of that. 449 00:25:42,690 --> 00:25:48,810 I figure out how long it's going to take me to get from point A to point B. 450 00:25:49,230 --> 00:25:55,050 I allow for traffic, I allow for weather, and as a result of that, I'm 451 00:25:55,050 --> 00:25:57,090 time. Then why were you written up? 452 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,780 Because the pipe broke in one of the restrooms. As a result of that, they 453 00:26:01,780 --> 00:26:03,680 the entrance I was accustomed to using. 454 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,380 As a result of that, I had to go around half the circumference of the building 455 00:26:09,380 --> 00:26:15,280 to get in. As a result of that, I was, in fact, late in punching in, 456 00:26:15,460 --> 00:26:18,720 but I was not late in getting to work. 457 00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:23,920 How late were you in punching in? Ten minutes late, which I know seems trivial 458 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,920 to many people. 459 00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:27,610 But the rule was you had to be on time. 460 00:26:28,290 --> 00:26:29,990 And I have no quarrel with that rule. 461 00:26:31,770 --> 00:26:36,150 In this instance, however, it wasn't my fault. 462 00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:38,530 Did you say that? I said it repeatedly. 463 00:26:40,150 --> 00:26:41,550 I put it in writing. 464 00:26:42,430 --> 00:26:46,690 I wanted that lateness notation expunged from my record. 465 00:26:46,990 --> 00:26:48,210 And were they willing to do that? 466 00:26:48,410 --> 00:26:49,410 No. 467 00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:50,850 They weren't. 468 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:57,480 And because I was unwilling to let it go, I was disciplined. 469 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,580 How were you disciplined? 470 00:27:00,020 --> 00:27:02,180 I was told to watch the scale. 471 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,520 They'd bring packages over to weigh them, and I would see how much they 472 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,180 There were yellow lines painted on the floor, and I was told to stay inside 473 00:27:11,180 --> 00:27:12,720 those lines my entire shift. 474 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:19,100 I was permitted out for lunch, for two ten -minute breaks, and if I had to go 475 00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:20,680 the bathroom and ask permission to go. 476 00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:23,630 Why did you bring a gun to work, Mr. Whelan? 477 00:27:24,130 --> 00:27:29,650 Because I felt as though I had been unfairly treated. 478 00:27:31,810 --> 00:27:33,270 And maybe I made too much of that. 479 00:27:34,110 --> 00:27:36,830 I did make too much of it. 480 00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:41,090 I know, Mr. 481 00:27:41,290 --> 00:27:44,110 Daggett, that you had a lot more on your mind than my excuses. 482 00:27:44,570 --> 00:27:46,730 If I was late, I was late, period. 483 00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:50,050 But now that I have your ear, sir, 484 00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:52,790 There's something else I'd like to say. 485 00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:58,570 If you could find it in your heart to give me my job back, you'd never have to 486 00:27:58,570 --> 00:28:00,070 worry about my being late again. 487 00:28:01,430 --> 00:28:02,430 That's a promise. 488 00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:13,150 Benny, you need to tell us what's going on. 489 00:28:13,550 --> 00:28:14,550 What do you mean? 490 00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:16,970 We understand that your friend Dominic took you to Las Vegas. 491 00:28:17,310 --> 00:28:18,690 Yeah. Who paid? 492 00:28:19,630 --> 00:28:20,630 I did. 493 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,000 I think we've got to take some action here. 494 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:23,659 What do you mean? 495 00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:26,240 What do I mean? How much did you spend to go to Las Vegas, Benny? 496 00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:30,880 Oh, airplane tickets were $387. 497 00:28:31,260 --> 00:28:34,440 Wait a second. You paid for his ticket as well as your own? Uh -huh. What else 498 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,419 did you pay for? 499 00:28:35,420 --> 00:28:37,440 Well, I paid for chips. How much? 500 00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:41,420 $500 worth. Can we get protective order? We can certainly try. 501 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,360 What happened after you bought the chips? 502 00:28:43,820 --> 00:28:45,520 Dominic played this dice game they have. 503 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,600 If you throw the dice and get a seven, you win. 504 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,100 Or if you get another number and then you get it again, you win. 505 00:28:52,340 --> 00:28:56,100 Or if you put a chip down on a square and somebody else is throwing the dice. 506 00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:58,260 Yes, we know. It's called craps. We know what the game is. 507 00:28:58,460 --> 00:28:59,840 Dominic let me throw the dice. 508 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,240 And we kept winning. 509 00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:04,260 And the man kept giving us more and more chips. 510 00:29:04,460 --> 00:29:05,299 Then what happened? 511 00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:07,840 Then we went and played blackjack where you got to get 21. 512 00:29:08,260 --> 00:29:10,960 And then the man kept giving us more and more chips. 513 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,920 And then I went over to the slot machines, and I kept putting quarters in 514 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,800 $50 and quarters came out. 515 00:29:18,020 --> 00:29:20,740 Benny, how much money did you have when you got there? 516 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,700 $620. How much money did you have when you left? 517 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,480 $3 .75. 518 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,740 We had to take the bus home from the airport. 519 00:29:30,180 --> 00:29:31,300 I don't get it, Benno. 520 00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:34,580 You're a thrifty guy. You're smart with money. Why are you doing this? 521 00:29:34,780 --> 00:29:35,860 It was fun, Arnie. 522 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,460 We saw Siegfried and Roy. 523 00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:45,320 He's got the complete Santa Cruz series. 524 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,260 The Svenborg bestiality plates. 525 00:29:50,660 --> 00:29:52,500 These are very rare editions. 526 00:29:53,220 --> 00:29:55,620 Oh, how long is this going to take, Arnold? 527 00:29:55,820 --> 00:30:00,780 What I find most remarkable is the scholarliness and the discipline 528 00:30:00,780 --> 00:30:01,780 this collection. 529 00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:04,760 Most collectors collect along the line of fetishes. 530 00:30:05,060 --> 00:30:08,160 This gentleman's approach was historical. 531 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,060 There are pieces from Nazi Germany. 532 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:18,620 There's a wonderful soft core section from the 50s with those zebra combs of 533 00:30:18,620 --> 00:30:22,620 women posing with garden hoses and guitars. 534 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,200 Arnold. 535 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,220 There's the quote -unquote free love hippie years. 536 00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:30,080 The Chicago school. 537 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:36,820 The so -called existential nymphomania period represented like I've never seen 538 00:30:36,820 --> 00:30:37,820 it represented before. 539 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,000 I take it that you're interested. 540 00:30:39,260 --> 00:30:40,260 Oh, my God. 541 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,300 Correct me if I'm wrong, Leland. I think what we're interested in doing here is 542 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:48,600 selling the entire collection. 543 00:30:48,820 --> 00:30:51,880 Absolutely. Arnold, you don't break up a collection like this. 544 00:30:52,460 --> 00:30:56,840 I mean, even if I wanted to, what wouldn't I take? 545 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,100 The 8mm reels? 546 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,480 How much, yeah. 547 00:31:00,540 --> 00:31:01,540 All right. 548 00:31:02,860 --> 00:31:09,520 I can give you a check right now for... $50 ,000. 549 00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:12,420 Mr. Tobias. 550 00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:15,240 We know what we've got here. 551 00:31:16,260 --> 00:31:20,480 We know what the Svenborg bestiality plates alone are worth. Now, out of 552 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,280 consideration to Arnold, I'm showing you the collection before I show it to 553 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,760 anyone else. But I'm not willing and I'm not able, as an executor of the estate, 554 00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:29,580 to make any concessions on price. 555 00:31:29,780 --> 00:31:32,020 You think you can do better than $50 ,000? 556 00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:36,560 Yes, I do. I've already got a call from a Japanese collector willing to buy the 557 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,000 entire collection, sight unseen. 558 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,640 Well, I am not letting this fall by the wayside because I wanted to save a buck. 559 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,900 An opportunity like this comes along once in a lifetime, and I am not about 560 00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:49,000 let it pass me by. 561 00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:54,060 I want this collection. 562 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,380 How much do you want it? 563 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,340 I want it very much. 564 00:32:08,430 --> 00:32:11,430 Do you want to tell me what it was you were thinking about when you fobbed off 565 00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:13,510 your responsibility for this appeal on Gwen? 566 00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:17,370 What do you mean? I mean that Gwen's not a lawyer, Melina. She's not authorized 567 00:32:17,370 --> 00:32:20,650 by either the state of California or this firm to practice law. 568 00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:22,210 I asked her to assist me. 569 00:32:22,410 --> 00:32:24,510 She called the general counsel's office. 570 00:32:24,930 --> 00:32:25,930 For what? 571 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,040 He spoke to one of their bank's senior attorneys. 572 00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:31,580 So what? Did it ever occur to you that the bank's attorneys, like most 573 00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:35,060 attorneys, don't appreciate having their time taken up explaining the fine 574 00:32:35,060 --> 00:32:38,780 points of an appellate brief to someone who is themselves not an attorney? 575 00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:41,680 Were the questions, Gwen, a stupid question? 576 00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:43,200 I don't think that's the least bit relevant. 577 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,520 You had no business bringing her into that case. 578 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,780 Look, I am doing what I have to do to manage my workload. If she screwed up, I 579 00:32:50,780 --> 00:32:53,400 would take responsibility for that. She didn't screw up. 580 00:32:53,740 --> 00:32:58,400 She just violated what you and some other pompous lawyer with a pole up his 581 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,020 regard as an inviolate caste system. 582 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,780 And for that, you're in here wasting what precious few moments I have left in 583 00:33:04,780 --> 00:33:08,360 which to prepare to go to court. Now, you listen to me, Melina, and listen 584 00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:11,820 I wouldn't be in here if I hadn't gotten a call from the bank's attorney, and I 585 00:33:11,820 --> 00:33:13,460 wouldn't have gotten that call if he hadn't been unhappy. 586 00:33:13,780 --> 00:33:15,160 Now, you may think that's insignificant. 587 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,660 Let me assure you. 588 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,060 You're wrong. This bank represents what could potentially be a substantial 589 00:33:20,060 --> 00:33:24,300 source of revenue for this firm. As the managing partner, it's my responsibility 590 00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:28,140 to do everything in my power to make sure that potential is realized, 591 00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:31,240 with making sure that their attorneys are not unhappy. 592 00:33:31,820 --> 00:33:35,540 Now, if you can't assure me of that, let me know, and I'll give this case to 593 00:33:35,540 --> 00:33:39,280 someone else. Douglas, I have been working till 10 o 'clock every night for 594 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,400 weeks. I haven't had a day off in over a month. 595 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,600 Maybe you should give this to somebody else. 596 00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:45,860 Done. 597 00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:58,840 It's always difficult to understand a tragedy, to try and make sense out of 598 00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:59,840 senseless. 599 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,840 An innocent woman dies and we all grieve. 600 00:34:03,940 --> 00:34:06,960 Unfortunately, random violence is part of society. 601 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,560 A day doesn't go by that we don't read about another murder, another shooting. 602 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,540 Is the post office a demanding, high -stress environment in which to work? 603 00:34:17,139 --> 00:34:22,310 Undoubtedly. Is there a connection between violence and the working 604 00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:23,310 at the post office? 605 00:34:24,010 --> 00:34:25,110 We have no idea. 606 00:34:25,350 --> 00:34:29,690 The only issue here, ladies and gentlemen, is did the management at the 607 00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:33,449 Northfield Postal Facility cause George Whelan to do what he did? 608 00:34:34,670 --> 00:34:38,250 All of us, in varying degrees, are under stress. 609 00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:42,550 Punching a time clock, pleasing your boss, those are stressful things. 610 00:34:42,969 --> 00:34:46,590 Most of us, however, don't take a gun to work and start shooting, and none of 611 00:34:46,590 --> 00:34:50,710 us, if we did so, would be entitled to hold our employers responsible. 612 00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:56,830 While it may be comforting to believe that a dangerous individual can somehow 613 00:34:56,830 --> 00:35:02,910 singled out, somehow be stopped, the truth is that no one knows how to do 614 00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:08,490 Does the post office regret that Tina McAllister was killed? 615 00:35:08,830 --> 00:35:12,690 Absolutely. But are they in any way to blame for her death? 616 00:35:14,410 --> 00:35:15,410 Absolutely not. 617 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:21,880 The defense counsel's right. 618 00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:25,120 We all have stress. 619 00:35:26,340 --> 00:35:29,780 If we work for a living, we depend on our boss's approval. 620 00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:36,140 We need our paychecks, and we want to do a good job, and so we're vulnerable. 621 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,160 We're vulnerable to our boss's whims, to their moods, to the pressures that 622 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,160 they're under themselves. 623 00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:45,440 There are some bosses who are reasonable and fair. 624 00:35:46,110 --> 00:35:50,290 And there are some who are petty and abusive and cruel, and they get away 625 00:35:50,290 --> 00:35:53,330 being like that because the people who work for them need their jobs. 626 00:35:54,490 --> 00:35:58,250 I would maintain that the Postal Service is one such employer and that Richard 627 00:35:58,250 --> 00:35:59,850 Daggett is one such supervisor. 628 00:36:00,850 --> 00:36:04,870 I would maintain that when a worker becomes violent after having been 629 00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:08,450 hounded and humiliated, it's self -evident why he's done so. 630 00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:11,470 Grown men and women should not be treated like children. 631 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,120 should not have to ask permission to go to the bathroom or be expected to 632 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,300 perform like robots. 633 00:36:16,980 --> 00:36:20,780 Heightened efficiency is no justification for the systematic 634 00:36:20,780 --> 00:36:21,780 human being. 635 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:24,120 And that's what was done to George Whelan. 636 00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:27,760 And that's why Brian McAllister's wife is dead. 637 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:34,140 The Postal Service is to blame, and it's only fitting and proper that they be 638 00:36:34,140 --> 00:36:35,140 made to pay. 639 00:36:54,220 --> 00:36:56,220 I've gotten an appraisal on the stamp collection. 640 00:36:57,940 --> 00:36:58,940 Please. 641 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,720 And? It's worth close to $80 ,000. 642 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,080 Well, I guess that settles that question. There's no way I can persuade 643 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,740 to sell Dad's stamp collection. Sure there is. You can give me $40 ,000. 644 00:37:11,060 --> 00:37:12,500 Now, there may be another solution. 645 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,900 Within your father's collection, I found some other items that have considerable 646 00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:20,540 value. You mean not stamps? 647 00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:22,140 Right. Not stamps. 648 00:37:25,070 --> 00:37:26,070 What did you find? 649 00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:33,070 Oh, well, I found some men's magazines and 650 00:37:33,070 --> 00:37:37,310 some film, and I found pornography. 651 00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:44,090 That didn't belong to my father. When you say pornography, how much 652 00:37:44,090 --> 00:37:45,090 are you talking about? 653 00:37:45,130 --> 00:37:46,770 $110 ,000 worth. 654 00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:52,870 I don't believe that. You actually have someone willing to pay that much? 655 00:37:53,070 --> 00:37:54,070 Yes, yes, I do. 656 00:37:54,140 --> 00:37:55,900 How many dirty magazines did the old man have? 657 00:37:56,180 --> 00:37:57,220 Well, there's quite a few. 658 00:37:57,500 --> 00:37:58,640 I think I'm going to be sick. 659 00:37:58,860 --> 00:38:02,860 Well, let me suggest that what it does allow you to do is keep the stamp 660 00:38:02,860 --> 00:38:06,540 collection and sell the pornography and split the difference between the value 661 00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:09,160 of the two. I don't want to have anything from the sale of his 662 00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:11,360 Well, you are entitled to it. I don't want it. 663 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,060 That's what he was doing in his studies? 664 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,520 It's not like that's all he was doing. I have to get out of here. 665 00:38:18,140 --> 00:38:21,260 Well, we're supposed to sit down with your mother today and let her know what 666 00:38:21,260 --> 00:38:22,460 we're going to do. It's fine. 667 00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:25,120 Right now, I just have to be by myself. 668 00:38:25,340 --> 00:38:26,340 Judith, come on. 669 00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:31,820 He spent part of the time on his stamp collection. 670 00:38:33,260 --> 00:38:34,260 Right? 671 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,840 Yeah, yeah, well, yeah. 672 00:38:38,460 --> 00:38:41,900 The matter of McAllister versus the U .S. Postal Service. 673 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,920 Has the jury reached a verdict? 674 00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:45,420 We have, Your Honor. I'll see. 675 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,340 We fine for the plaintiff and award damages in the amount of $1 million. 676 00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:53,320 Jury is dismissed with the thanks of the court. 677 00:38:53,860 --> 00:38:54,880 We are adjourned. 678 00:38:59,460 --> 00:39:00,460 We won. 679 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,220 So now they appeal, right? 680 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,780 Either that or offer to settle. 681 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,000 Forget about that. 682 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,460 Well, let's just see what the offer is. They can keep us in appeals for years. 683 00:39:09,740 --> 00:39:10,618 Let them. 684 00:39:10,620 --> 00:39:11,740 Don't you want the money, Brian? 685 00:39:12,020 --> 00:39:13,020 Not if it means capitulation. 686 00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:16,780 It doesn't mean that. It just means that you've made a rational decision to get 687 00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:20,520 on with your life. Don't use that expression with me, all right? The life 688 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:21,419 is over. 689 00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:22,740 The woman I loved is dead. 690 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,940 There's nothing more important to me right now than taking on the people who 691 00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:26,940 killed her. 692 00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:28,900 Come here. 693 00:39:30,260 --> 00:39:31,480 Come on. Come sit down. 694 00:39:35,220 --> 00:39:38,200 Now, you can tell me to mind my own business, but I disagree. 695 00:39:39,180 --> 00:39:42,100 Because you've got two kids to bring up, and that's a lot more important. 696 00:39:43,210 --> 00:39:47,550 And you can come away from this with enough money to make a difference and be 697 00:39:47,550 --> 00:39:48,550 done with it. 698 00:39:48,590 --> 00:39:50,050 I don't think I want to be done with this. 699 00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:54,330 I think it'd be best for all involved if this thing just dragged on as long as 700 00:39:54,330 --> 00:39:55,330 possible. 701 00:39:55,630 --> 00:39:56,630 Why? 702 00:39:58,290 --> 00:40:01,070 Because I don't know how much difference there is between me and George Whelan. 703 00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:06,330 When this case is over, I just might kill someone too. 704 00:40:25,230 --> 00:40:26,209 How are you feeling? 705 00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:27,870 I'm still in a state of shock. 706 00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:30,570 He was a human being, Judith. 707 00:40:31,550 --> 00:40:32,550 He had flaws. 708 00:40:32,830 --> 00:40:34,570 In my book, this was a little more than a flaw. 709 00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:37,570 That didn't stop him from being a good father now, did it? 710 00:40:37,850 --> 00:40:38,850 I don't know. 711 00:40:40,010 --> 00:40:41,010 Yes, you do. 712 00:40:41,370 --> 00:40:43,110 You know the kind of father he was. 713 00:40:43,390 --> 00:40:45,350 This makes me think of him differently, Frank. 714 00:40:45,590 --> 00:40:49,490 He wasn't this kindly white -haired man in a cardigan sweater working on his 715 00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:50,490 stamp collection. 716 00:40:51,070 --> 00:40:54,430 He was an obsessive sicko pawing through dirty pictures. 717 00:40:54,670 --> 00:40:57,690 No, no. I haven't said anything about this to your mother. 718 00:40:57,930 --> 00:41:01,250 Oh, my God. I would hope not. No, no, no. She shouldn't know anything about 719 00:41:01,310 --> 00:41:06,030 It would kill her. I mean, however disconcerting this is to us, we could 720 00:41:06,030 --> 00:41:08,910 deal with it a hell of a lot better than she could. So we won't say anything? 721 00:41:09,310 --> 00:41:10,630 Nothing. Hello, children. 722 00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:12,810 Hi, Mom. Hi, Mom. Well, 723 00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:15,850 have you kids worked out your differences? 724 00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:17,649 Yes, Mom. 725 00:41:17,650 --> 00:41:18,569 We have. 726 00:41:18,570 --> 00:41:22,550 Good. I think the last thing your father wanted was for something like his stamp 727 00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:24,770 collection to have driven the two of you apart. 728 00:41:26,090 --> 00:41:29,510 By the way, did you ever find his dirty magazines? 729 00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:37,810 So you know, Mr. Newsy. 730 00:41:38,330 --> 00:41:40,210 We take an interest in Benny Stelowitz's welfare. 731 00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:42,470 Lester, you're about to tell us that it's none of our business. 732 00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:45,270 Right, because we maintain it's very much our business. 733 00:41:45,490 --> 00:41:48,290 In addition to being Benny's employers, we also administer his trust. 734 00:41:48,590 --> 00:41:51,370 Now, if need be, we can march into court and get control of all of Benny's 735 00:41:51,370 --> 00:41:54,630 assets, as well as a protective order against you personally. 736 00:41:54,890 --> 00:41:58,270 And while we'd rather not do that, the next time we find out you're taking 737 00:41:58,270 --> 00:42:00,450 from him, that's exactly what we'll do. 738 00:42:01,570 --> 00:42:02,570 Are you done? 739 00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:07,400 Yeah. Good. Let me set you straight about something. I'm not afraid of you, 740 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,580 right? That's for openers. 741 00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:11,540 Ben Stulwitz and I have our own arrangement. That arrangement doesn't 742 00:42:11,540 --> 00:42:12,840 anything to do with you. 743 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:16,760 You're taking advantage of someone who is mentally retarded. So far as I'm 744 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,400 concerned, I'm not taking advantage of anyone. 745 00:42:18,660 --> 00:42:19,860 So happens Ben's an adult. 746 00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:21,100 A retarded adult. 747 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,120 An adult, a grown man who doesn't have to answer to you or anyone else about 748 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,900 he spends his money. You're the one who's got to answer for it, Dominic. 749 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,400 Either of you ever take Ben to Vegas? That's not really the point. I think it 750 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,240 the point. The fact that we're 45 minutes from the greatest spectacle in 751 00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:37,360 Western world, and before I took him, he'd never been, that's exactly the 752 00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:40,800 Believe it or not, Benny has never expressed any interest in Las Vegas. 753 00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:44,180 that's sadder still, because I'll tell you what. He's real interested in going 754 00:42:44,180 --> 00:42:47,900 back. He saw life. He saw action. He saw Siegfried and Roy, okay? 755 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,840 He saw white tigers appear and disappear on command. 756 00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:54,540 Not much compares with that. And we're supposed to ignore the fact that it's 757 00:42:54,540 --> 00:42:56,000 Benny who pays for everything? 758 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,420 Hey, right now, he's the one who's got, so he's the one that pays. When I'm the 759 00:42:59,420 --> 00:43:01,220 one that's got, I'm the one that pays. 760 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,500 With me, Benny is Ben. 761 00:43:04,060 --> 00:43:08,500 He's not a retarded messenger boy. He's a man. We do the things that men do. We 762 00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:12,000 go to the track. We go to Vegas because we're men. We don't need your 763 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,100 permission, your approval. 764 00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:15,440 You want to take me to court? Be my guest. 765 00:43:16,980 --> 00:43:19,120 Dominic? Hey, Ben, how you doing? 766 00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:21,580 What's going on? 767 00:43:21,740 --> 00:43:22,880 We're just having a little... 768 00:43:23,529 --> 00:43:25,330 Hey, you guys getting to be friends? 769 00:43:25,590 --> 00:43:28,590 Absolutely. Maybe they could go to the racetrack sometime. 770 00:43:28,970 --> 00:43:32,050 Yeah, I don't see why not. Hey, listen, Ben, walk me out, will you? I gotta get 771 00:43:32,050 --> 00:43:33,050 going. Hey. 772 00:43:35,770 --> 00:43:38,010 So, we have a good time in Vegas or what? 773 00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:39,410 We had a great time. 774 00:43:39,610 --> 00:43:42,690 Hey, next time we go, we go see Ann -Margaret. 775 00:43:43,110 --> 00:43:46,190 Really? Oh, hey, she's only the most beautiful woman in the face of the 776 00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:48,410 What, she should be there and we wouldn't go see her? 777 00:43:48,850 --> 00:43:49,850 So we will go. 778 00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:51,450 That's what I'm saying. 779 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,640 Are you going to bet on any horses today, Dominic? 780 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,400 I don't know yet. 781 00:44:04,820 --> 00:44:07,060 I went to the bank and I got money. 782 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:08,440 Here. 783 00:44:09,460 --> 00:44:10,460 Give me. 784 00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:14,240 How many times have I told you not to keep your money in a wallet? 785 00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:15,500 I forgot. 786 00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:17,500 Farmers keep their money in wallets. 787 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,200 Anyone that's hip keeps their money in their pants pocket. 788 00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:21,680 Look at this mess. 789 00:44:21,940 --> 00:44:22,940 Look. 790 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,220 All right. I'm going to tell you this one more time. 791 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,680 Bills. Right side up. 792 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,140 Okay? Larger denominations on the bottom. Smaller denominations on the 793 00:44:32,380 --> 00:44:36,440 Fold it in the middle. And when you pay out, you always peel them off towards 794 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,400 you. Not towards the other guy. Towards you. 795 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,980 Huh? Okay. 796 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,140 Trying to teach you something here. I know. 797 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:46,520 Here. 798 00:44:47,180 --> 00:44:48,960 Don't you want any money to bet with? 799 00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:50,840 No. You sure? 800 00:44:51,820 --> 00:44:52,820 Yeah. 801 00:44:54,660 --> 00:44:56,200 I'll see you at DuPars tonight? 802 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:01,600 Hey, I gotta eat supper, right?